SHOULD CHRISTIANS BE FORCED TO BAKE A GAY WEDDING CAKE?

Here is a recent exchange on Facebook – I have posted it on both this blog and my political blog.

Me:    Of course not! Freedom means being able to follow your conscience. Homosexual "weddings" are a total sham and a celebration of perverted behavior. A true Christian could never go to one, approve of one, or participate in the celebration of an abomination as a baker, photographer, or other enabler. THIS IS BASIC FREEDOM, which liberals, Muslims and others routinely enjoy as NO CASE has ever been brought about their matter-of-fact refusal to bake Trump cakes (libs), gay cakes (Muslims), etc. it It a purely anti-Christian effort. We have the Bill of Rights for a reason, though many judges do not understand that but simply are there to push a demented left-wing agenda with zero consideration of the law. There is a real possibility Kennedy will vote his pro-gay beliefs and make it 5-4 against the Constitution. If that happens, Christians must be prepared to stand regardless. The SCOTUS has made many errors - remember Plessy vs. Ferguson in 1896? A man who was 1/8 black but passed for white got on the best part of the train with no issues. When he stated he was really black, they asked him to move to the "colored" section. The SCOTUS ruled against him that Separate but Equal was fine. Some universities today still do that with back dorms, etc. except now it isa t the request of blacks. Only God is the final arbiter and we need to stand for right no matter how many stand for wrong.

Challenger  How about a racist motel owner turning away black family in need of lodging for a night? Racism and anti-gay bigotry are “matters of conscience.” We’re allowed to think and speak as we like, but when we offer our services commercially, we need to offer them to all comers our equal terms. If you can’t be gracious, you’ll attract legal challenges that will put you out of business. I suspect that there were once pastors who would not perform interracial marriages as a matter of conscience.

Me:   I cannot disagree more and find it extraordinarily insulting to compare the color of one skin with abominable sexual perversion that does violence to the human body. This argument by gay radicals deeply insults black people. I testified concerning this at a public hearing on so called "human rights". Thankfully the mayor's veto was sustained The argument is fallacious because the Bible specifically forbids partiality and in fact Miriam got leprosy for criticizing her brother Moses' marriage to a black African. On the other hand, homosexuality is condemned not only by the Bible but by the Quran and almost every society until recently. We are to have no part of unrighteousness.

We are not talking about selling people food, coffee or a car here. No one asks anything in straight transactions, and in fact at the hearing NO ONE said they has EVER experienced discrimination .  It was :”just in case” – yes,  Just in case there was a Christian they wanted to target make an example of.   That is the true history of these cases – sometimes traveling 3,000 miles to do so – agenda—driven to the extreme.  A wedding is a whole different story from a simple sales transaction. We are talking about CELEBRATING and AFFIRMING the unfruitful works of darkness. We are talking about an intensely personal service in a celebratory event.  That is how I found out John Kasich was a fraud - he said he was a Christian and opposed homosexual "marriage" but went to one of friend to "support" him. That is absurd. If you are against a wedding, you do not go. Our wedding was packed and our pastor, our elders and our family ALL approved. I would not want anyone there who thought what we were doing was wrong. You cannot celebrate what is abhorrent to God, and the first amendment (read it again last night) says the freedom of religion cannot be abridged.

According to Merriam Webster, RELIGION Is a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. A Christian made a custom ring for with your point of view made custom rings for a lesbian couple. When they found out he was a Christian, they demanded a refund. All sane people want those involved in their wedding to be in their corner -we selected very carefully for our wedding. IT is SOLELY about seeking to shut down all debate and insist that EVERYONE believe in their pagan practices which shall be destroyed by Christ's breath at his coming. Those who approve of what God hates are on thin ic and I do not like really cold water.

Challenger: I understand the whole “God hates fags” pitch. I think it doesn’t play in 2017. We know too many adorable gays—with many who are still in the closet, sadly. If you want to throw them from the tops of buildings (and forgive “straight” divorce, which Jesus clearly hated and preached against), go ahead. If these people are not your neighbors, who is? You were loved and appeared to love your fellow architecture students who were/are gay. What changed?

Me:   You sure are leaping to conclusions.

Have never thrown anyone off a building.

Hired homosexuals when in charge of technical hiring for a large A/E firm.

Designed projects for gay clients.

Every place we lived there was a gay couple within doors of us - a lesbian couple in their 70;s lives 75' down the hall.

My younger son's best Sunday School teacher was a former homosexual who sold flowers on Rittenhouse Square.

I have never justified divorce (except for Biblical grounds), fornication,  living together before marriage, porn, R-rated movies,  or anything else.

All will put you in hell.

HOWEVER - homosexuality is still an abomination and while not the only one is a core rebellion against whom God made you. There is no "gay gene" and adorable does not cut it with God.   Look, I had two adorable clients who worked for the Educational Testing Service in Princeton making up those diabolical questions. They were eccentric and hoarders, but intellectually smart and engaging and liked to talk about their church.   When the project was about 95% complete, I was shocked looking at the front page of the Philadelphia Inquirer one day to see his picture and he was in jail for molesting his six grandchildren, all adopted from Vietnam.  His wife called three days later as  though nothing had happened and wanted to finish the project.  I could not get the Contractor back there.   

I can never celebrate what is repugnant to God.   I will not go with signs to protest homosexual "weddings", but I will never go to one either, put my endorsement on their relationship., or as a minister marry them in a ceremony,  Thankfully, I cannot legally marry anyone in Pennsylvania though I have been asked more than once by heterosexual couples, as I do not have an active congregation, but do the work of an evangelist. Though a friend in one case, the man was not behaving in a biblical manner and I did not deem his marriage to be allowed scripturally.  In Denmark and other areas they seek to force ministers to marry people.  My Dad was a pastor and he rejected more couples than he accepted, especially during WWII.  Most reputable ministers insist on counseling and being sure the couple is ready to marry.   

What I oppose so vociferously is the attempt to force anyone to celebrate what is repugnant to God and which by nature is a sin against the human body.  Few people even know what gay people do in bed.  I do - I dated an African girl back in the early 70's who lived at the YWCA who told me what Lesbians actually do.  She was so grossed out she moved in with an older woman.  The sanitization of sin happens in all arenas, but the current push to force everyone to endorse these perversions is totally against our Constitutional Freedoms and the freedom of conscience.